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| The Word Problem |
| Hanna L. |   
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| Group: Administrator Level: eDialogue Expert Posts: 109 Joined: 11/7/2007 IP-Address: saved  | Hi Friends, I recieved an email from Ms Bulnez telling me that Ms Sprenger rectified all unclear things in an email. As Ms Sprenger mentiones only the group/individual problem in her mail, I doubt that Ms Bulnes understood the real problem or want to take part in it. So I wrote an email to Ms Sprenger. I post it here for you to know what is going on. I am thinking of also forwarding it to other classes, if all of them sent this email to Ms Sprenger they might move the deadline...? What do you think... Here is the email I wrote, it s a great exercise for WreP by the way. Hello Ms Sprenger, I am writing for you for the class 1ES4 because we, and also other people have problems with the Word task. I wrote to Ms Bulnez before and she told me that you clarified our problem, but the published rectification was not actually our problem. I will try to explain our proplem to you and hope you can help us out. Plenty people from our class are very worried with the deadline. In our Word class Mr Manning said that it was only in January and that it was a group product, at least the brochure for Europe Day. Now it was published officially only on Friday that everybody has to do it and until the 14th. At the beginning of the Year we joined together in groups to work on the leaflet, now everybody has to do it and hand it in so soon, and because of the many other assignments, many students now feel that it is almost impossible to stick to this deadline. We also explained our problem to various teachers (like Ms Pau and Ms Dolphin,) who encourage us to suggest a changing in somethings to you. Our own class superviser is ill. The deadline is one problem we face, but another one is there. The brochure is requiered to be handed in in the font "TheSans." But this font is only availible in school, not on homecomputers. Actually this would not be a bigger problem to simply change this font in school and burn it there. But the problem is that many of us are using Office2007. As this is a new programme I discovered that there is a change when one writes a document in 07 and opens it on a non 07 computer. I do not mean the format, even if you safe it in the old modus this problem is there. you can open the document but it looks compleatly different in terms of structres. I had the problem with my leaflet, I wrote it at home, saved it in the old format, opened it on a school computer and suddendly it has one page more, all headings are mixed up and so on. I think this is a bug, a mistake of Microsoft which was not cured yet as it is still a young program. I see the only way to avoid this happening is to convert the document into pdf, which keeps one from changing the font in school.This Microsoft bug is disturbing and of course neither the fault of the school or us, but it exists and we have to deal with it now. Due to the unhappy circumstances, the moved deadline, the change from group-individual assignment, plenty other tasks etc I would really like to ask you in the name of my class but also others from the first ES year in order to meet us, to make itpossible to change the one or the other thing. We were thinking of extending the deadline at least for a week and to change the font from "TheSans" to Arial. These two fonts are so similar but would make it a lot more easier for us to oppose the Office07 bug. We are really concerned about this issue as most of us also put so much effort in Research Skills where we will only get assesst if we recieve the pass from the Word course. Thank you very much in advance and best wishes Hanna Lohmann and the entire 1ES4
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| 12/8/2007 8:54:16 PM |    | |
| Hanna L. |
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| Group: Administrator Level: eDialogue Expert Posts: 109 Joined: 11/7/2007 IP-Address: saved | And I also wrote to Mrs van der Star about the problem: Hello Mrs van der Star, I hope you are getting better, we heard that you are ill. Our class is facing a problem with Word, which we discussed with several teachers now during class but most also advised us to inform you, though you were absent from school, so I am sending you this email. It is about our Word course. We were told before that we have to hand it in in January and that e.g. the leaflet was a group product. Now it was published on Friday that it is an individual assignment which needs to be handed in on the 14th. Plenty of our classmembers got really worried with this, as we have quite a lot deadlines at the moment and do not know how to keep up. The difficulties we have is because of a problem with the course itself. The leaflet has to be handed in in the font "TheSans". This is a font which is installed on all the school's computers but not on average homecomputers. This means we can not finish this assinment at home but at least havt to change the font in school. Which would not be an actual problem, but since many of us are using Word2007 it is. It is possible to save Word07 documents in a format which allows to be opened on older like the school computers. But when you do this the content gets mixed up, due to (this is want I think is the only explaination) a bug in the system. Word07 is so young that it is full of these bugs, one is the different resolution in different word versions. This means when we write our leaflet at home and bring it to school in order to change the font there we also have restructe the brochure due to this bug. It happened to me before when we had to hand it in for Wret. I wrote it at home, send it to school to print it there and when I opened it, it suddendly had 3 pages instead of 2. So before printing I had to shorten the context immensly to make it fit. The only way to prevent this happening is obviously to convert the file into a pdf data. But then again it is not possoble to change the font to the Sans in school. This is what so many people worry about, that with all the deadline in the next 10 days (Wret, Research Skills, English Vocabulary Notebook, and oral exams in MGP and English) it is almost impossible to also work out all the word assinments in school before Friday. So I first wrote all this to Ms Bulnes on Thursday who told me then on Friday that Ms Sprenger rectified everything. But Ms Sprenger only sent an email explaining that the deadline is the 14th and it was an indivudual assignment. She also told me if I had more problems I should contact Ms Sprenger directly. So I also wrote an email to Ms Sprenger now telling her that her rectification did not help us with the described problem at all. I hope she will give us the chance to either extend the deadline or allow us to hand in the brochure in Arial instead of thesans. The two fonts are very similar and then we could save our works as pdf and burn it at home. For now I just wanted to inform you and hope that we can solve things with Ms Sprenger. Hope you are gettinger well soon, Hanna Lohmann
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| 12/8/2007 9:13:36 PM | | |
| Niya |
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| Group: User Level: eDialogue Expert  Posts: 68 Joined: 11/8/2007 IP-Address: saved |  GO GO HANNA I really wish that they pay attention to you and at least change the font ant postpone the deadline. But the brochure is not the biggest probem. I don't know if you guys have read the instructions for the layout of the report...If you have not, you better take some pills before opening the module book...  | |
| 12/8/2007 10:29:10 PM | | |
| Hanna L. |
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| Group: Administrator Level: eDialogue Expert Posts: 109 Joined: 11/7/2007 IP-Address: saved | exactly it s crazy... maybe it is better to do everything in school. Because my computer is in German, and i don't know the english words then always... shit. Are you all so busy this weekend? I am working since 12 on my research report. and absolutly nothing is done. and still i need to do wret, voc notebook, wrep and so on....
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| 12/8/2007 11:15:59 PM | | |
| Hanna L. |
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| Group: Administrator Level: eDialogue Expert Posts: 109 Joined: 11/7/2007 IP-Address: saved | And last but not least I summarised the problem, so if you have any friends from other classes who wanna join the war against word kindly give them this: Word Problem We, the First years of HEBO, have a problem with the course word. We would like you to consider the following points and make a change if possible. 1) The deadline was moved from January to December 14th 2) Suddenly the brochure which was announced and said in the module book to be a group product is an individual assignment and thus a lot more work. 3) The font “TheSans” which is required for the brochure is a font which is not on average home computers, but only in school. 4) Plenty of the students are using office 2007. The program consist a bug. When opening a Office 2007 file on a computer with the old system, like in school the layout of document changes. So students either have to convert everything to pdf in order to prevent the Office 07 bug or do everything in school. These four points really give some of us a problem, so we kindly ask you to change some things to make it easier for us. We suggest to move the deadline and to allow us to use “Arial” as a font for the brochure, which is similar to “TheSans” but will allow us to work our things out at home. Not all of us live in Den Haag and especially with all the assignments it is not convenient to stay in school for a long time just to carry out tasks at the school computers. We would be very happy if you could help us with this issue. We are very concerned with it, as a “pass” is essential to get a mark in research skills and we already invested so much time in research skills.
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| 12/9/2007 1:22:17 AM | | |
| Marnix |
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| Group: Administrator Level: eDialogue Expert  Posts: 109 Joined: 11/8/2007 IP-Address: saved | I really hope we'll get some answers soon. Really, it should be no trouble for them to accept another font (I mean: what the f**** does it matter?)) for the assignment and to change the deadline to the 21st, right? Anyway, Hanna,you go girl! I think we all very much appreciate the effort you are putting in this for our class  | |
| 12/9/2007 1:33:18 AM | | |
| David |
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| Group: Administrator Level: eDialogue Expert  Posts: 60 Joined: 11/8/2007 IP-Address: saved | Oh my gosh...I've just seen that the deadline has been moved to January 14.....unbelievable! Let's celebrate with an orgy of alcohol... I was thinking we should organize a dinner or meet the evening of the event's day. All together. Have dinner and have fun! What do you think? After all, we are a group... 
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| 12/10/2007 2:11:54 PM | | |
| Niya |
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| Group: User Level: eDialogue Expert Posts: 68 Joined: 11/8/2007 IP-Address: saved | I just have 2 things to say: 1.HANNA, I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for bothering and making the effort to write these long letters and be so persistent. In the begining I was a bit sceptic but you did make difference. THANK YOU DEAR!(also on behalf of all other HEBO student I informed.They went crazy from happiness)  and last but not least keep on  (rockin')2. David, what a gret idea. I really feel like celebrating now.Maybe before Christmas??? We just have to brainstorm  a little bit about where and when we an have this party/dinner/whatever. Maybe we can do it on Wednesday at the end of the projet meeting??? | |
| 12/10/2007 7:05:10 PM | | |
| David |
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| Group: Administrator Level: eDialogue Expert Posts: 60 Joined: 11/8/2007 IP-Address: saved | Actually I was thinking after Christmas, the exams and the project. I'm always willing to destroy my liver by drinking... We should divide our class in subgroups, elect chairs and secretaries, and then vote when and where...  By the way, does anyone have Dimas' mobile number? I have to ask him what is he doing with the script. | |
| 12/10/2007 7:38:46 PM | | |
| Hanna L. |
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| Group: Administrator Level: eDialogue Expert Posts: 109 Joined: 11/7/2007 IP-Address: saved | i sent u a PM wit dimaz number
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| 12/10/2007 7:55:16 PM | | |
| David |
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| Group: Administrator Level: eDialogue Expert Posts: 60 Joined: 11/8/2007 IP-Address: saved | Wow, private message...hehe. Thanks Ms Administrator, you always so diligent. | |
| 12/10/2007 8:05:38 PM | | |
| Niya |
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| Group: User Level: eDialogue Expert Posts: 68 Joined: 11/8/2007 IP-Address: saved | haha you are right, David! We should do it after Christmas and the exams and the project. Especially with that new division of chairs and sub-chairs, secrataries and so on...it is time consuming  but I am in for it becaue i also think we shoud act as a  (as you all can see,I love the smilies) | |
| 12/10/2007 8:19:16 PM | | |
| Anjuli |
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| Group: User Level: eDialogue Expert  Posts: 59 Joined: 11/8/2007 IP-Address: saved | Yeah a dinner/party sounds good. I like the idea to have it after our project, I mean on that particular day! We really should brainstorm! I am out! [img]/images/forum/smilies/64.gif[/img] | |
| 12/10/2007 9:28:44 PM | | |
| Marnix |
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| Group: Administrator Level: eDialogue Expert Posts: 109 Joined: 11/8/2007 IP-Address: saved | Great idea  David, you are Bender! he is my hero hahahaha 
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| 12/10/2007 11:26:10 PM | | |
| David |
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| Group: Administrator Level: eDialogue Expert Posts: 60 Joined: 11/8/2007 IP-Address: saved | Yeah! The offender...hehehehe I love Futurama. | |
| 12/10/2007 11:47:24 PM | | |
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